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we live in a reality of phantoms and

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and existence of cryptids in the

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hey folks good evening and welcome to

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phantoms and monsters radio where we

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explore and discuss the unknown and the

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i'm your host lon stricker thanks for

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so tonight's guest is chad lewis chad

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has traveled for the past 25 years

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traveled the back roads of the world in

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search of the strange and unusual from

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tracking vampires in transylvania and

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searching for the elusive monster of

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loch ness to trailing dangerous tada

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duende through remote villages of belize

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and searching for ghosts in ireland's

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haunted castle

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chad has scoured the earth in search of

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the paranormal

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now chad has been featured on the

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discovery channels of haunting william

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shatner's weird or what

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abc's scariest places on earth and

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monsters and mysteries in america along

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with being a frequent contributor on

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ripley believe it or not

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radio with a master's degree in

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psychology chad has authored over 25

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books on the supernatural and

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extensively lectures on his fascinating

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the more bizarre the legend the more

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likely is that you will find chad there

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so chad thanks for joining me this

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evening

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hey nice to be back on the show

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greetings from the northwoods of

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wisconsin

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yeah you know uh wow you know in

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you're in a great place because there's

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lots of stuff to find in wisconsin it

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it seems to be everywhere in this this

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state and such a great mix from cryptids

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to ufos crop circles hauntings you name

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it i mean you can't throw a rock in

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wisconsin without hitting a place that

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paranormal reputation oh absolutely

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lots of strangers out that way and uh

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of course with me being involved with

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all this stuff that's going on in and

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around chicago and yeah the upper

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midwest you know i find out more and

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more as i i venture within through you

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know some of the tales and the folklores

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and the legends that have come from that

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it's a mix

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and i i just appreciate there's someone

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like you to put it out there in the

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public forum and uh

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yeah it's great to have you with us

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digging up legends just from that area

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you know when you're digging through the

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old newspaper accounts and they may not

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all be paranormal they might be bizarre

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deaths and weird medical anomalies but

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just fascinating and it's everywhere

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yeah yeah and you've uncovered some

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really interesting ones

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over the years you've been doing this

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we're much appreciative of it

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the book you wrote uh last i think you

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uh the supernatural dares of the midwest

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curses monsters and ghosts

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you know i asked you i said you know

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stuff you know last time when we talked

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about the wind it goes and that book was

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now you sent me this book he said well

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let's talk about the supernatural dare

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so let's do that you know

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after going through this book the first

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thing the one thing i'm thinking is you

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dares or legends and such in in areas

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country it's like bridges on country

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those seem to be the three areas that

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people often ask if i ever get scared at

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these places and my reply is if you're

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not getting scared you're not trying

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that these places are creepy and what i

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most of the people that have engaged in

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them are probably not die-hard

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paranormal enthusiasts right you know

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passage in their town or it's just

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something they did as a test of bravery

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in high school that you'd all go out to

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the abandoned farm and see who could

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walk up this second floor

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but they didn't really know they were

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engaging in something that was you know

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for a lot of people something a mishap

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misfortune or death

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when people send me something into the

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those are the ones i really

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really perk my

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my ears up because you got the um

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you know especially having to do with

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cemeteries and seeing certain creatures

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and go into the cemetery on a dare i

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you know you know something's going to

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happen you know you know or somebody's

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imagination is going to

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go into high drive and something is

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definitely going to happen you know so

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you know but this book is fantastic it's

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got a lot of interesting things in it

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i think a lot of the places what

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fascinated me was that so many of them

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seem to be these portals or beacons or

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what john keel would call window areas

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where you do get stories of a haunting

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also have you know missing time or roads

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that seem to expand and contract on

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their own all sorts of anomalies all in

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this one spot and you're right you get a

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car load of your friends together

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something's bound to happen

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oh you're right you know like there's um

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and there are there were a few in here

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that i heard of before of course like

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the paulding lights and uh

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everybody's got a crybaby bridge i don't

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care where you live at there's one

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somewhere where you're close to where

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and of course the old resurrection mary

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i i tell you the one the the

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the collection of stories that really

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get me more than anything is because

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i've had a lot of people send me

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emails or call me and say you know

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i was in this cemetery

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and i saw a bigfoot around the edges of

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the cemetery i saw a dog man around the

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edges of the cemetery those are the ones

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that just really fascinate me and the

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forested over cemeteries i don't like

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cemeteries at all i mean i'm intuitive

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reactions to cemeteries

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the fact that you're there

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under those pretenses of

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visiting your loved ones and you've got

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this creature just hanging around out

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yeah almost as though it's attracted to

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that place absolutely some reason and

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oftentimes as you probably get as well i

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get people that say they went there

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because they heard a legend of maybe a a

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ghost walking the the grounds but yet

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when they get there they encounter

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something entirely different that they

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even known of um i went to a conference

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where after the program this big burly

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biker guy came up to me and you know the

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type of guy you wouldn't think would get

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spooked by anything

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and he told me him and his buddies went

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out to see a

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infamous haunted area in wisconsin but

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when they got there they were surrounded

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by hellhounds

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and he had never heard the legend of the

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hellhounds being there but it terrified

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him so much

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they took off as fast as they could on

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their bikes ended up trying to kick

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these things when the boots went right

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through them

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that they finally disappeared but it was

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another case where you know he was kind

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of shaken telling me the story the

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emotions were still running so high but

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it was again he had never heard hellholm

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legends there but

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yet when he got there that's what seemed

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to greet him

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interesting so you could attribute that

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to like a thought form or anything you

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you would have to be something that

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is in the area and uh yeah i mean it's

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just another legend and uh these things

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just seem to pan out when

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people talk about stuff showing up all

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the time well under the right conditions

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certain things do show up

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but uh you know this whole cemetery

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thing he just freaks me out it really

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does and i think you did have a story in

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there about a um

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uh either an upright canine or some kind

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of creature that was seen in the

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cemetery well can you tell us about that

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yeah well i have a few uh cemetery

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um creatures obviously

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cemeteries are are great places and

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and the legend is that it's haunted

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especially by a man who committed

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suicide with a shotgun there many uh

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chapel because that's where he had done

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the deed and too many people were legend

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trippers were going out there it was a

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disturbance but to get to the cemetery

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it was exactly what you were describing

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in your fears of cemeteries in the

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middle of nowhere a gravel road help is

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nowhere to be found

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and there are several little caves

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indented into the landscape and

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many people have seen what they believe

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to be a werewolf

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or a large upright dog man type creature

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living in those caves and chasing them

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and again you're at this haunted

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secluded cemetery which at least has an

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origin story of a suicide but yet people

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are seeing something totally different

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and it even happens when people are not

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actively out there uh looking for it

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people going there to pay their respects

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to their loved ones who are buried there

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they're not out legend tripping monster

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hunting they just

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are in the wrong place or maybe the

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yeah i mean uh

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i haven't even had people tell me that

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they were at funerals and they would

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notice something out there it's like

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i mean even the middle of the day i've

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had people i i had one woman tell me

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that um

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she was at the cemetery

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visiting a grave and her daughter was in

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the car

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and this

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this upright canine tried to get into

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the car where this girl was and she had

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to chase it off

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weird stuff like that but you know

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as a paranormal investigator you hear

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all you hear about bigfoot in particular

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being around cemeteries in the

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attraction why do you think there is an

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attraction

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i think

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when people talk about spirits they talk

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about maybe they're feeding off of

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emotion

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okay um our feelings that and again this

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is all speculation i certainly have more

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questions than answers but i would think

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that um one maybe death is fascinating

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to other beings as much as it is to us

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or at least it was until about 50 years

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ago when we outsourced it all

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you know you no longer die at your home

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you no longer have the funeral in your

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parlor hence the funeral parlor term um

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but also maybe the feeding off of that

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energy but also i've done a lot of

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research into old cemeteries and how

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they were chosen and some of them in

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more areas that were prone to folklore

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and superstition

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they chose the cemetery because it

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seemed to be a

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easier portal between our world and the

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spirit world so when your loved one

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passed on it would be easier for them to

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travel from this existence to wherever

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you think they go but they would also

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put them on the other side of running

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water with the belief that spirits could

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not follow them back to town over the

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water much like vampire lore or they

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take several routes home

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so the spirits could not follow them so

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they'd be trapped there in essence and

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maybe that attracts or maybe these

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people were subconsciously picking up

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that these are areas of

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some sort of sacred

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uh area that should be where you put

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your dead to observe them in the

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afterlife

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[Music]

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interesting

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why do you why do you think why do you

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think big i mean that's such a great

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question i i don't know i you know

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i i don't know if it's the energy of the

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departed or

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the energy maybe hangs around and

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they're attracted to that

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it just seems bizarre to me and you're

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right i mean

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you

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uh there's a good chance somebody may be

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there you know actually visiting

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and maybe it's the fascination of you

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know people these people who go there i

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don't know

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but it it it's always interested me um

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why they do that i i think i've been

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involved with cases

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other than cemeteries where there would

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be spirit activity or energy and

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these cryptids would show up involved

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with the case right now with the

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dog man upright canines

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in ohio where um

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there's some

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very strong spirit activity involved as

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well

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uh and it's something we're trying to

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piece out i mean we want to get that

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part straightened out before we start

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working with these cryptids or whatever

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these things are um you know last week

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we had a uh we had a round table about

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cryptids and the first question i i

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asked everybody was what do you think

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cryptids are what do you think these

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being are they flesh and blood are they

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some type of ultra terrestrial or extra

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extra-dimensional being

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what are your thoughts on that i don't

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think i've ever asked you that

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yeah thankfully you haven't done

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gosh

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yeah

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i find myself probably like a lot of

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people that have been in this field for

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quite some time that

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switching just kind of back and forth

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where

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you hear of people finding tracks or

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hair or droppings you know scat

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which would indicate that it's somewhat

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here maybe it's flesh and blood like a

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moose or a bear

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but then you hear these other cases

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where people see it and it vanishes

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right before their eyes or there's

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other mysterious balls of light darting

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about and they're acting in ways that no

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being should be able any known animals

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should be able to do

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so then it leaves you like it can't be

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flesh and blood or it can't be here in

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the way we think it is

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at least not 100 of the time

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oh i agree with you yeah i mean i guess

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i don't know well this phenomena it's

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interesting as time is going on you know

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when i started looking into the uh the

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bigfoot phenomenon 30 40 years ago it

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was like that was what people saw then

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that was it it seems more and more as we

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look into it

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we're we're starting to realize there's

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other activity usually involved with it

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of course you know stan gord's been

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talking about ufo and alien activity

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possibilities with these beings and um

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more and more we talked investigators

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that have orb-like activity and possibly

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spirit energy activity associated as

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well so uh

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yeah i mean i i don't think that it's

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evolved any differently but i i think

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people are noticing more

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i've always changed as well on my

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questioning that i think in the past if

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you were to go to some place with

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activity whether it's ufo haunted

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whatever and you start asking about that

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specific activity people take you

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literally so when you ask

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do you know of any ufo activity in the

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area

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they might say no but if you start

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saying do you know of any weird legends

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or any odd activity in the area they

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might say well there's that sea serpent

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down by the water

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yeah but if you asked about ufos they

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would say nope and kind of move on

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thinking well you're not interested in

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all the other stuff and i think

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in the years past people were so

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specific in their research that ufo

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people would not touch cryptids vice

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versa and now you get people like

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yourself myself and many many others

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that kind of

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run the whole spectrum of the paranormal

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so you're starting to see maybe some of

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these connections or correlations

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yeah it's fascinating and you know you

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it's because when you talk to people

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uh you get a witness sort of call you

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and you start asking them well what you

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see and you get this this and that

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and

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they'll also when they're done telling

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you what happened to them then they'll

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say but you know something else happened

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or something else has happened around

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here people have seen this or that

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uh i don't think it's associated well

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you know

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i'm looking into it as well because

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that's the first thing i'm looking for

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an off-ramp for you know maybe there is

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a connection

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i love when people say and you probably

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get this a lot as well that

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they start talking about something and

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then all of a sudden it jogs their

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memory of another another event and they

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say well i never really thought that

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this would be you know it never occurred

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to me that this was out of the ordinary

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and then it might be the weirdest thing

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ever uh i had a woman that i was working

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with with the late craig lang from

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minnesota mutual ufo network and

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and then craig yeah yeah craig was a

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great guy and i learned a lot from him

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and um she had gone through a ton of

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what she thought were abduction

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scenarios her whole life

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and she's rattling off all these weird

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cases and then she said have you ever

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seen like a five foot owl in your

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driveway

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and i said no i don't know any l species

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that get five feet in height and she was

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attacked by this bird thing going to

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work one dark morning this all swooping

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down at her

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you know looking like

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some mothman type creature but it never

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occurred to her that that might be

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related to the other stuff going on it

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was wow you know it was really weird so

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i love when people's memories are jogged

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of other things and it's kind of a

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domino effect

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you know it's interesting you brought up

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craig i remember something he was

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involved with at a ufo conference where

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the one of the attendees the lady

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swore that

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like these men and black guys came into

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a room and attacked her do you remember

540
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that case

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no i don't think so

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oh my god yeah that was um it wasn't too

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long before he passed away

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but uh yeah i remember i remember

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reading that i actually posted a little

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bit about her on the blog but

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that was so bizarre i mean it was like

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she um

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she had been and it was in california i

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know that and um

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she had been in her hotel room and these

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guys busted into her room and she

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described them as looking like the men

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in black

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and they literally

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she was raped she

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said you know she was supposedly raped

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and uh a bunch of weird stuff involved

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with it and

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apparently craig was you know doing some

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investigating and uh

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yeah i don't know what that was all

563
00:21:04,390 --> 00:21:02,080
about but then i you know that it kind

564
00:21:08,549 --> 00:21:04,400
of jogged my memory when you said craig

565
00:21:13,990 --> 00:21:11,750
and i mean with craig 2 um we got to

566
00:21:16,390 --> 00:21:14,000
start looking at uh it's amazing how

567
00:21:18,230 --> 00:21:16,400
many of these researchers die in odd

568
00:21:21,590 --> 00:21:18,240
scenarios where he was at a ufo

569
00:21:24,710 --> 00:21:21,600
conference yeah when he passed and

570
00:21:26,870 --> 00:21:24,720
so that's another weird thing

571
00:21:29,270 --> 00:21:26,880
yeah and you mentioned it in in your

572
00:21:31,430 --> 00:21:29,280
tribute in your book to the

573
00:21:34,549 --> 00:21:31,440
those legend trippers that had gone

574
00:21:36,230 --> 00:21:34,559
through and and given their lives for

575
00:21:39,110 --> 00:21:36,240
what they believed and what they

576
00:21:42,070 --> 00:21:39,120
investigated you know i don't think the

577
00:21:45,350 --> 00:21:42,080
public hears about that a lot but

578
00:21:48,470 --> 00:21:45,360
there we have had a few people

579
00:21:50,950 --> 00:21:48,480
that have basically passed away during

580
00:21:53,350 --> 00:21:50,960
some type of investigation mysteriously

581
00:21:55,110 --> 00:21:53,360
passed away

582
00:21:57,270 --> 00:21:55,120
yeah there are a ton of them and then

583
00:21:59,830 --> 00:21:57,280
they're they're kind of adjacent deaths

584
00:22:03,909 --> 00:21:59,840
there was a a famous case in wisconsin

585
00:22:05,510 --> 00:22:03,919
back in the 1960s and 70s this steinball

586
00:22:08,070 --> 00:22:05,520
thing they called it because they didn't

587
00:22:10,630 --> 00:22:08,080
know what to call it it was this giant

588
00:22:13,190 --> 00:22:10,640
three green eyed creature like a bigfoot

589
00:22:16,310 --> 00:22:13,200
beast but it had three glowing green

590
00:22:18,310 --> 00:22:16,320
eyes that haunted the swamp land out and

591
00:22:21,190 --> 00:22:18,320
an old abandoned farmhouse that was

592
00:22:22,789 --> 00:22:21,200
thought to be haunted too and

593
00:22:24,630 --> 00:22:22,799
one day four

594
00:22:25,830 --> 00:22:24,640
teenagers hopped in a car and they went

595
00:22:28,390 --> 00:22:25,840
out there that night to see the

596
00:22:30,710 --> 00:22:28,400
steinfeld monster the thing

597
00:22:32,870 --> 00:22:30,720
and apparently they were so spooked they

598
00:22:35,029 --> 00:22:32,880
hightailed it out of there and about a

599
00:22:36,789 --> 00:22:35,039
mile away from the farm they were struck

600
00:22:38,230 --> 00:22:36,799
and three of them were killed by a drunk

601
00:22:40,470 --> 00:22:38,240
driver

602
00:22:42,149 --> 00:22:40,480
and the one who survived said the last

603
00:22:44,149 --> 00:22:42,159
thing he remembered was

604
00:22:45,669 --> 00:22:44,159
you know exiting the place in a hurry

605
00:22:47,990 --> 00:22:45,679
because they thought the monster was

606
00:22:49,990 --> 00:22:48,000
after them and then lo and behold they

607
00:22:52,830 --> 00:22:50,000
get hit by another monster and they end

608
00:22:56,149 --> 00:22:52,840
up dying legend tripping

609
00:22:59,029 --> 00:22:56,159
wow yeah that's an interesting one

610
00:23:01,830 --> 00:22:59,039
um you know i mentioned earlier about

611
00:23:03,350 --> 00:23:01,840
these crybaby bridges i know there's one

612
00:23:04,789 --> 00:23:03,360
around here where i live but i know

613
00:23:06,470 --> 00:23:04,799
there was one where i

614
00:23:08,470 --> 00:23:06,480
near where i used to live at maryland it

615
00:23:10,149 --> 00:23:08,480
just seems like they're everywhere but

616
00:23:11,510 --> 00:23:10,159
what are your thoughts on these things i

617
00:23:13,990 --> 00:23:11,520
mean

618
00:23:15,669 --> 00:23:14,000
what is the nexus of these crybaby

619
00:23:17,750 --> 00:23:15,679
bridges for the most part the ones that

620
00:23:19,590 --> 00:23:17,760
you investigated

621
00:23:23,190 --> 00:23:19,600
well they they have to be out in the

622
00:23:27,350 --> 00:23:23,200
middle of nowhere right and the older

623
00:23:29,510 --> 00:23:27,360
more rickety the bridge the better okay

624
00:23:32,230 --> 00:23:29,520
and sometimes they are associated with

625
00:23:34,789 --> 00:23:32,240
babies usually drowning but they can

626
00:23:36,870 --> 00:23:34,799
often incorporate children too a busload

627
00:23:39,350 --> 00:23:36,880
of kids went off the bridge and they

628
00:23:41,750 --> 00:23:39,360
drowned and met their watery graves

629
00:23:44,950 --> 00:23:41,760
usually people died out there there's uh

630
00:23:46,870 --> 00:23:44,960
one outside of uh in iowa where a group

631
00:23:49,269 --> 00:23:46,880
of high school football players were

632
00:23:51,590 --> 00:23:49,279
helping being good samaritans helping

633
00:23:53,830 --> 00:23:51,600
someone push their stalled vehicle and

634
00:23:55,830 --> 00:23:53,840
another car came behind and killed them

635
00:23:59,269 --> 00:23:55,840
and now they haunt the area so it's

636
00:24:00,870 --> 00:23:59,279
always some tragedy that is the origin

637
00:24:03,510 --> 00:24:00,880
of these legends but when you go out

638
00:24:06,390 --> 00:24:03,520
there you start to hear what people

639
00:24:09,110 --> 00:24:06,400
think is a baby crying or an infant and

640
00:24:10,390 --> 00:24:09,120
in some cases it's a toddler or young

641
00:24:12,070 --> 00:24:10,400
child like

642
00:24:13,269 --> 00:24:12,080
making noises but

643
00:24:15,590 --> 00:24:13,279
if you've ever been out in the

644
00:24:16,950 --> 00:24:15,600
wilderness on a bridge with water

645
00:24:19,750 --> 00:24:16,960
passing

646
00:24:22,789 --> 00:24:19,760
it tends to make some weird noises but

647
00:24:25,990 --> 00:24:22,799
people are dead sad that they heard

648
00:24:27,990 --> 00:24:26,000
crying sometimes it won't even um be

649
00:24:31,029 --> 00:24:28,000
recorded when you record it you hear

650
00:24:33,750 --> 00:24:31,039
nothing but to the uh ear the human

651
00:24:36,230 --> 00:24:33,760
naked ear they hear crying

652
00:24:38,149 --> 00:24:36,240
uh usually of babies and like you said

653
00:24:39,990 --> 00:24:38,159
they're everywhere they're ubiquitous

654
00:24:41,269 --> 00:24:40,000
every town seems to have a crybaby

655
00:24:42,230 --> 00:24:41,279
bridge

656
00:24:44,710 --> 00:24:42,240
um

657
00:24:46,390 --> 00:24:44,720
yeah i mean i i i even had a personal

658
00:24:48,710 --> 00:24:46,400
experience with um

659
00:24:50,789 --> 00:24:48,720
there was a uh there was a creek in

660
00:24:51,750 --> 00:24:50,799
maryland that i used to fly fish in for

661
00:24:53,830 --> 00:24:51,760
trout

662
00:24:56,070 --> 00:24:53,840
uh morgan run

663
00:24:59,029 --> 00:24:56,080
and uh i was

664
00:25:01,510 --> 00:24:59,039
fly fishing i was out there i was

665
00:25:03,190 --> 00:25:01,520
you know and there were some nice pools

666
00:25:05,669 --> 00:25:03,200
and around the bridge so i used to you

667
00:25:08,789 --> 00:25:05,679
know fly fishing out there

668
00:25:10,470 --> 00:25:08,799
and one day and it was during

669
00:25:12,149 --> 00:25:10,480
the late afternoon it was still light

670
00:25:14,149 --> 00:25:12,159
out and um

671
00:25:15,430 --> 00:25:14,159
this woman was standing up on the bridge

672
00:25:18,630 --> 00:25:15,440
above me

673
00:25:20,310 --> 00:25:18,640
and uh she said hi to me and i she asked

674
00:25:21,669 --> 00:25:20,320
what you know how i was doing this and

675
00:25:24,310 --> 00:25:21,679
this and that

676
00:25:27,029 --> 00:25:24,320
and she said let me ask you something

677
00:25:28,630 --> 00:25:27,039
have you ever heard any weird sounds

678
00:25:29,990 --> 00:25:28,640
around here while you've been around the

679
00:25:31,510 --> 00:25:30,000
bridge and i

680
00:25:33,990 --> 00:25:31,520
i said no

681
00:25:36,310 --> 00:25:34,000
she said well you know about

682
00:25:38,470 --> 00:25:36,320
the the story about the woman who threw

683
00:25:40,070 --> 00:25:38,480
their babe her baby off the off this

684
00:25:41,430 --> 00:25:40,080
bridge the baby drowned right where

685
00:25:44,470 --> 00:25:41,440
you're fishing at

686
00:25:47,110 --> 00:25:44,480
uh no i never heard that story oh yeah

687
00:25:48,710 --> 00:25:47,120
they call this a crybaby bridge and

688
00:25:50,230 --> 00:25:48,720
that's really the first time i heard

689
00:25:51,510 --> 00:25:50,240
that term

690
00:25:54,549 --> 00:25:51,520
uh

691
00:25:56,149 --> 00:25:54,559
then you know as as time has gone on and

692
00:25:57,990 --> 00:25:56,159
you know i started doing investigating

693
00:25:59,750 --> 00:25:58,000
stuff for the blog and uh more people

694
00:26:01,590 --> 00:25:59,760
were sending me these

695
00:26:03,190 --> 00:26:01,600
these citing i mean these uh these

696
00:26:05,669 --> 00:26:03,200
legends or these accounts i don't know

697
00:26:09,110 --> 00:26:05,679
how many legends are made true

698
00:26:10,630 --> 00:26:09,120
but uh yeah i mean i thought

699
00:26:11,990 --> 00:26:10,640
you know when i saw it in your book i

700
00:26:13,669 --> 00:26:12,000
thought well i was going to ask you that

701
00:26:15,590 --> 00:26:13,679
what you thought the nexus of a lot of

702
00:26:17,350 --> 00:26:15,600
these these were

703
00:26:20,310 --> 00:26:17,360
and they're they're different from

704
00:26:23,350 --> 00:26:20,320
lyrona stories where it's the same

705
00:26:26,470 --> 00:26:23,360
legend of a child dying but yet

706
00:26:28,950 --> 00:26:26,480
in those variations it's the woman you

707
00:26:31,510 --> 00:26:28,960
know patrolling the riverbanks crying

708
00:26:33,190 --> 00:26:31,520
out for her lost child sometimes she's

709
00:26:35,029 --> 00:26:33,200
doing penance for

710
00:26:38,070 --> 00:26:35,039
uh murdering her children but in the

711
00:26:39,190 --> 00:26:38,080
crybaby bridges it's usually always the

712
00:26:41,269 --> 00:26:39,200
children

713
00:26:44,070 --> 00:26:41,279
you know not the parent that lost or the

714
00:26:48,470 --> 00:26:44,080
parent that might be responsible for the

715
00:26:50,470 --> 00:26:48,480
um the death or the uh killing but also

716
00:26:51,909 --> 00:26:50,480
just the children whereas la yona

717
00:26:54,230 --> 00:26:51,919
stories it's

718
00:26:56,789 --> 00:26:54,240
the exact opposite side right

719
00:26:58,950 --> 00:26:56,799
fascinating how folklore works that way

720
00:27:03,430 --> 00:26:58,960
yeah it is it is i mean those little

721
00:27:07,350 --> 00:27:05,590
you know you you you well it's you know

722
00:27:09,269 --> 00:27:07,360
you say well it's hispanic legend and

723
00:27:11,669 --> 00:27:09,279
this and that but you know i have talked

724
00:27:13,750 --> 00:27:11,679
to people in the past who said oh no you

725
00:27:16,230 --> 00:27:13,760
know this has happened and you know we

726
00:27:17,990 --> 00:27:16,240
have seen this woman wait

727
00:27:21,029 --> 00:27:18,000
wailing for the death of a child and

728
00:27:23,590 --> 00:27:21,039
this and that and okay well you know

729
00:27:25,750 --> 00:27:23,600
and getting back to how these

730
00:27:27,430 --> 00:27:25,760
are never standalone things when i was

731
00:27:30,149 --> 00:27:27,440
in central america

732
00:27:32,870 --> 00:27:30,159
i was looking for la yorona down there

733
00:27:35,590 --> 00:27:32,880
and one of their local legends of her

734
00:27:38,789 --> 00:27:35,600
was that she would appear alongside the

735
00:27:40,950 --> 00:27:38,799
riverbanks as a beautiful gorgeous woman

736
00:27:43,990 --> 00:27:40,960
try to lure men into the woods where she

737
00:27:45,750 --> 00:27:44,000
would transform into this giant snake

738
00:27:47,750 --> 00:27:45,760
and devour them

739
00:27:50,710 --> 00:27:47,760
and that was a local legend i had never

740
00:27:53,350 --> 00:27:50,720
heard of a twist of it so they had their

741
00:27:55,909 --> 00:27:53,360
own cryptid involved there and usually

742
00:27:58,789 --> 00:27:55,919
these things were meant as a

743
00:28:01,669 --> 00:27:58,799
cautionary tale to tell men to come home

744
00:28:04,470 --> 00:28:01,679
from work to back to the village and uh

745
00:28:07,430 --> 00:28:04,480
you know don't linger yeah but but that

746
00:28:09,669 --> 00:28:07,440
was a version i'd never heard before of

747
00:28:12,070 --> 00:28:09,679
this woman transforming into a giant

748
00:28:14,230 --> 00:28:12,080
snake-like beast yeah i've never heard

749
00:28:16,710 --> 00:28:14,240
that one i have heard of these these

750
00:28:18,789 --> 00:28:16,720
cryptid mermaids or merman showing up on

751
00:28:21,110 --> 00:28:18,799
these creeks and stuff and

752
00:28:23,510 --> 00:28:21,120
and and a lot of those are down in

753
00:28:25,350 --> 00:28:23,520
central south america but i you know

754
00:28:26,149 --> 00:28:25,360
that that's interesting

755
00:28:27,110 --> 00:28:26,159
huh

756
00:28:29,269 --> 00:28:27,120
you know

757
00:28:31,669 --> 00:28:29,279
go ahead oh i was just going to say that

758
00:28:34,310 --> 00:28:31,679
i think the it really illustrates that a

759
00:28:35,750 --> 00:28:34,320
lot of the world takes these legends and

760
00:28:37,750 --> 00:28:35,760
folklore

761
00:28:39,909 --> 00:28:37,760
in a more serious tone than we do here

762
00:28:41,750 --> 00:28:39,919
in the united states that

763
00:28:43,510 --> 00:28:41,760
when you travel abroad and you start

764
00:28:45,990 --> 00:28:43,520
looking for some of these legends they

765
00:28:47,830 --> 00:28:46,000
say stop what are you doing

766
00:28:49,430 --> 00:28:47,840
we don't go looking for these things we

767
00:28:51,190 --> 00:28:49,440
stay away from them

768
00:28:53,590 --> 00:28:51,200
you know crazy american what are you

769
00:28:55,269 --> 00:28:53,600
doing looking for these things where

770
00:28:57,110 --> 00:28:55,279
as you mentioned in the

771
00:28:59,830 --> 00:28:57,120
in the introduction you know i was

772
00:29:01,830 --> 00:28:59,840
hunting for the tata duende and i was at

773
00:29:03,750 --> 00:29:01,840
a in central america of what would be

774
00:29:06,789 --> 00:29:03,760
considered a national park here in the

775
00:29:09,029 --> 00:29:06,799
u.s and one of the park rangers uh

776
00:29:11,750 --> 00:29:09,039
literally said don't go looking for it

777
00:29:14,070 --> 00:29:11,760
and i was used to that and but he was

778
00:29:17,110 --> 00:29:14,080
too insistent so i asked him why and he

779
00:29:19,590 --> 00:29:17,120
ended up telling me a story of him as a

780
00:29:20,789 --> 00:29:19,600
child in that area encountering the

781
00:29:22,870 --> 00:29:20,799
duende

782
00:29:25,430 --> 00:29:22,880
falling under a spell where this little

783
00:29:26,950 --> 00:29:25,440
man of the woods was trying to entice

784
00:29:28,950 --> 00:29:26,960
him into the woods and he started

785
00:29:30,230 --> 00:29:28,960
walking against his will

786
00:29:33,430 --> 00:29:30,240
to the woods

787
00:29:35,510 --> 00:29:33,440
under a spell of some sort and then his

788
00:29:37,110 --> 00:29:35,520
mother yelled you know come home for

789
00:29:39,590 --> 00:29:37,120
dinner at the right moment and he

790
00:29:41,750 --> 00:29:39,600
snapped out of it and he ran home crying

791
00:29:43,190 --> 00:29:41,760
to his mother about the duende trying to

792
00:29:46,149 --> 00:29:43,200
abduct him and

793
00:29:47,510 --> 00:29:46,159
you know he's looking at me like again

794
00:29:49,990 --> 00:29:47,520
not out of

795
00:29:52,389 --> 00:29:50,000
a spite but out of concern don't go

796
00:29:54,310 --> 00:29:52,399
looking for it and even so much that

797
00:29:55,990 --> 00:29:54,320
when i was done with my uh hike

798
00:29:58,310 --> 00:29:56,000
adventure into the woods i had to come

799
00:30:00,470 --> 00:29:58,320
back and check back in with him so he

800
00:30:01,909 --> 00:30:00,480
knew i had made it and wasn't trapped

801
00:30:03,669 --> 00:30:01,919
out there

802
00:30:05,190 --> 00:30:03,679
um

803
00:30:06,870 --> 00:30:05,200
he knows the window stories really

804
00:30:10,310 --> 00:30:06,880
freaked me out

805
00:30:12,470 --> 00:30:10,320
um i i i think you probably remember the

806
00:30:13,830 --> 00:30:12,480
the so-called photograph of one of these

807
00:30:15,510 --> 00:30:13,840
the wendy's

808
00:30:17,669 --> 00:30:15,520
one i think it was argentina where they

809
00:30:20,230 --> 00:30:17,679
saw this thing the picture of it in the

810
00:30:23,269 --> 00:30:20,240
dark uh the the silhouette of this thing

811
00:30:25,430 --> 00:30:23,279
with the cap and uh yes you know

812
00:30:27,669 --> 00:30:25,440
that weird stuff uh i've heard of

813
00:30:29,190 --> 00:30:27,679
dwindles and trees and

814
00:30:31,029 --> 00:30:29,200
you know just showing up here and there

815
00:30:33,269 --> 00:30:31,039
but that that kind of freaks me out but

816
00:30:35,750 --> 00:30:33,279
i have had a few of those in the past

817
00:30:38,070 --> 00:30:35,760
uh interesting stories

818
00:30:40,549 --> 00:30:38,080
and again the duende which for if you're

819
00:30:41,909 --> 00:30:40,559
not familiar any of the listeners or

820
00:30:44,230 --> 00:30:41,919
viewers

821
00:30:47,269 --> 00:30:44,240
a diminutive creature of the woods

822
00:30:49,669 --> 00:30:47,279
usually has a giant hat or sombrero

823
00:30:51,909 --> 00:30:49,679
sometimes its feet are pointed backwards

824
00:30:53,669 --> 00:30:51,919
so nobody can track it

825
00:30:55,830 --> 00:30:53,679
even though everybody knows his feet are

826
00:30:57,669 --> 00:30:55,840
pointed backwards

827
00:31:00,230 --> 00:30:57,679
carries a hatchet or a sword or a

828
00:31:02,070 --> 00:31:00,240
machete and is a protector of the woods

829
00:31:04,710 --> 00:31:02,080
or jungles and

830
00:31:05,590 --> 00:31:04,720
it has a lot of trickster components to

831
00:31:10,470 --> 00:31:05,600
it

832
00:31:13,509 --> 00:31:10,480
outsmart you or trick you and sometimes

833
00:31:16,549 --> 00:31:13,519
it can be helpful leading lost travelers

834
00:31:18,230 --> 00:31:16,559
back to civilization but other times it

835
00:31:20,389 --> 00:31:18,240
is said it will bring you to its lair

836
00:31:21,990 --> 00:31:20,399
and you'll never come back

837
00:31:24,230 --> 00:31:22,000
kind of reminds me of the old lushy

838
00:31:25,350 --> 00:31:24,240
stories coming out of the dark woods of

839
00:31:28,470 --> 00:31:25,360
europe

840
00:31:30,389 --> 00:31:28,480
uh this tree this tree or plant spirit

841
00:31:31,509 --> 00:31:30,399
of the woods that would

842
00:31:33,269 --> 00:31:31,519
uh

843
00:31:34,710 --> 00:31:33,279
i i don't know if it would capture

844
00:31:36,630 --> 00:31:34,720
people or send them in the wrong

845
00:31:38,470 --> 00:31:36,640
direction or something but

846
00:31:40,630 --> 00:31:38,480
you know when when you get when you get

847
00:31:42,230 --> 00:31:40,640
witnesses from

848
00:31:43,750 --> 00:31:42,240
mostly eastern europe they talk about

849
00:31:46,389 --> 00:31:43,760
these lushies

850
00:31:48,389 --> 00:31:46,399
bizarre bizarre stuff

851
00:31:51,269 --> 00:31:48,399
and now we're getting into

852
00:31:52,549 --> 00:31:51,279
cultures and peoples all over the world

853
00:31:53,750 --> 00:31:52,559
in the old days when they weren't

854
00:31:56,470 --> 00:31:53,760
connected

855
00:31:58,470 --> 00:31:56,480
all having similar stories and legends

856
00:31:59,990 --> 00:31:58,480
of similar creatures

857
00:32:02,710 --> 00:32:00,000
and you and i talked about this with the

858
00:32:04,789 --> 00:32:02,720
windigo of people all over canada and

859
00:32:07,430 --> 00:32:04,799
the great lakes and on the eastern edge

860
00:32:08,870 --> 00:32:07,440
of the us all believing in these similar

861
00:32:10,710 --> 00:32:08,880
creatures when

862
00:32:12,870 --> 00:32:10,720
you know there was no internet before

863
00:32:15,029 --> 00:32:12,880
you could just google these stories

864
00:32:16,630 --> 00:32:15,039
there was no you know you weren't out

865
00:32:19,509 --> 00:32:16,640
there putting these stories out for

866
00:32:21,110 --> 00:32:19,519
people so you wonder were all these

867
00:32:23,029 --> 00:32:21,120
people encountering

868
00:32:25,269 --> 00:32:23,039
different things or similar things it

869
00:32:27,830 --> 00:32:25,279
just it seems too

870
00:32:30,310 --> 00:32:27,840
um specific to be just random

871
00:32:32,789 --> 00:32:30,320
similarities

872
00:32:35,830 --> 00:32:32,799
you know i i just put a book out about

873
00:32:37,430 --> 00:32:35,840
uh these pale crawler humanoids and

874
00:32:38,950 --> 00:32:37,440
similar things to that

875
00:32:40,630 --> 00:32:38,960
and uh

876
00:32:42,230 --> 00:32:40,640
of course you when you get people talk

877
00:32:43,269 --> 00:32:42,240
about when to go and you know people all

878
00:32:45,190 --> 00:32:43,279
kinds of people have different

879
00:32:47,269 --> 00:32:45,200
definitions of wendigos

880
00:32:48,710 --> 00:32:47,279
and of course you you you have said in

881
00:32:51,269 --> 00:32:48,720
the past you need in your book about it

882
00:32:51,909 --> 00:32:51,279
being a cannibalistic type possession

883
00:32:52,870 --> 00:32:51,919
of

884
00:32:55,990 --> 00:32:52,880
a human

885
00:32:58,230 --> 00:32:56,000
but um we also get these um you know

886
00:33:01,669 --> 00:32:58,240
people compare them to these

887
00:33:03,590 --> 00:33:01,679
these pale humanoids that

888
00:33:05,990 --> 00:33:03,600
are the memes or whatever they are i

889
00:33:07,669 --> 00:33:06,000
don't know but uh we do get a lot of

890
00:33:09,669 --> 00:33:07,679
this we get a lot of those sightings uh

891
00:33:10,870 --> 00:33:09,679
people call them rakes flesh gates this

892
00:33:11,750 --> 00:33:10,880
and that and

893
00:33:14,710 --> 00:33:11,760
you know

894
00:33:16,230 --> 00:33:14,720
these things are we dealing with

895
00:33:19,269 --> 00:33:16,240
something that's

896
00:33:20,149 --> 00:33:19,279
you know a new type of humanoid that who

897
00:33:21,190 --> 00:33:20,159
knows

898
00:33:23,190 --> 00:33:21,200
but uh

899
00:33:24,870 --> 00:33:23,200
i mean how many of those do you get do

900
00:33:25,990 --> 00:33:24,880
you get a lot of those type of sightings

901
00:33:28,789 --> 00:33:26,000
as well

902
00:33:30,950 --> 00:33:28,799
i do i get quite a few where people

903
00:33:33,029 --> 00:33:30,960
they don't put a title on it or they

904
00:33:36,870 --> 00:33:33,039
don't specifically say it was this or

905
00:33:39,110 --> 00:33:36,880
that they describe something and and

906
00:33:41,669 --> 00:33:39,120
what i'm fascinating by is that the

907
00:33:43,909 --> 00:33:41,679
legends and the descriptions i'm getting

908
00:33:45,269 --> 00:33:43,919
in modern times of what people believe

909
00:33:47,110 --> 00:33:45,279
is a windigo

910
00:33:47,990 --> 00:33:47,120
are much different than the original

911
00:33:51,269 --> 00:33:48,000
lore

912
00:33:53,029 --> 00:33:51,279
but it makes sense that legends from 400

913
00:33:54,870 --> 00:33:53,039
years ago are going to be different than

914
00:33:57,430 --> 00:33:54,880
today's legends that

915
00:33:58,870 --> 00:33:57,440
perhaps not only forklore has progressed

916
00:34:01,590 --> 00:33:58,880
and morph but

917
00:34:04,710 --> 00:34:01,600
maybe the creatures or spirit whatever

918
00:34:06,950 --> 00:34:04,720
they are maybe they have adapted and

919
00:34:08,790 --> 00:34:06,960
progressed as well that

920
00:34:11,270 --> 00:34:08,800
maybe that's what they do look like

921
00:34:13,909 --> 00:34:11,280
today maybe 400 years ago they didn't

922
00:34:15,909 --> 00:34:13,919
but that's what we're dealing with today

923
00:34:19,589 --> 00:34:15,919
interesting that

924
00:34:21,510 --> 00:34:19,599
theory and you know honestly i i don't

925
00:34:22,869 --> 00:34:21,520
even think i thought about that

926
00:34:24,950 --> 00:34:22,879
uh but

927
00:34:27,909 --> 00:34:24,960
you know i i made it to the

928
00:34:31,190 --> 00:34:27,919
that these maybe possibly tulpas or

929
00:34:34,710 --> 00:34:31,200
or thought forms and um you know our

930
00:34:36,310 --> 00:34:34,720
memes or you know where people uh

931
00:34:38,470 --> 00:34:36,320
have manifested these things my

932
00:34:40,470 --> 00:34:38,480
manifestation i don't know you know it

933
00:34:42,149 --> 00:34:40,480
it's uh it's a real question

934
00:34:44,310 --> 00:34:42,159
i mean and the book itself is kind of

935
00:34:46,069 --> 00:34:44,320
put out there to where you know i let

936
00:34:48,470 --> 00:34:46,079
the reader kind of decide what they

937
00:34:50,230 --> 00:34:48,480
thought it was i just gave them examples

938
00:34:51,589 --> 00:34:50,240
for the most part and gave a few

939
00:34:53,109 --> 00:34:51,599
theories but

940
00:34:55,510 --> 00:34:53,119
you know this is just you know talk

941
00:34:56,950 --> 00:34:55,520
people talk about the paranormal i mean

942
00:34:59,270 --> 00:34:56,960
this is just something else that we're

943
00:35:00,870 --> 00:34:59,280
dealing with something else is more

944
00:35:02,790 --> 00:35:00,880
recent as far as what people are

945
00:35:04,470 --> 00:35:02,800
describing but then again it may be

946
00:35:07,990 --> 00:35:04,480
something that's been there all along

947
00:35:10,550 --> 00:35:08,000
that we just recognize as something else

948
00:35:13,270 --> 00:35:10,560
a lot of people in this field i think

949
00:35:15,270 --> 00:35:13,280
get kind of closed off because

950
00:35:17,589 --> 00:35:15,280
um i always say that when you're dealing

951
00:35:19,190 --> 00:35:17,599
with the weird what's too weird where do

952
00:35:21,589 --> 00:35:19,200
you draw the line and for a lot of

953
00:35:23,109 --> 00:35:21,599
people they have a line that they draw

954
00:35:26,150 --> 00:35:23,119
where oh that story's just too

955
00:35:28,630 --> 00:35:26,160
outrageous it can't be true yeah so if i

956
00:35:30,230 --> 00:35:28,640
think if i went with that same basic

957
00:35:32,470 --> 00:35:30,240
principle i would have missed out on a

958
00:35:34,790 --> 00:35:32,480
lot of stories that remember when the

959
00:35:37,190 --> 00:35:34,800
first chupacabra story started coming

960
00:35:39,349 --> 00:35:37,200
out imagine if people would have said oh

961
00:35:41,270 --> 00:35:39,359
that's too weird that can't be real you

962
00:35:42,950 --> 00:35:41,280
know there's no history of it well you

963
00:35:45,670 --> 00:35:42,960
know it can't be

964
00:35:47,589 --> 00:35:45,680
going on so where do you draw the line

965
00:35:49,910 --> 00:35:47,599
for a lot of people they draw

966
00:35:51,990 --> 00:35:49,920
pretty close to themselves where for me

967
00:35:53,670 --> 00:35:52,000
i'll listen to somebody but doesn't mean

968
00:35:55,430 --> 00:35:53,680
i believe it for instance

969
00:35:57,750 --> 00:35:55,440
after a conference a guy came up to me

970
00:35:59,430 --> 00:35:57,760
and said you have to come to my farm my

971
00:36:00,870 --> 00:35:59,440
land we have a bunch of bigfoot

972
00:36:02,470 --> 00:36:00,880
creatures out there

973
00:36:05,829 --> 00:36:02,480
so i was with some colleagues it was

974
00:36:07,190 --> 00:36:05,839
about 8 30 9 00 pm i said great let's go

975
00:36:08,870 --> 00:36:07,200
and he said oh

976
00:36:10,710 --> 00:36:08,880
i should warn you though you probably

977
00:36:12,470 --> 00:36:10,720
won't be able to see them

978
00:36:14,310 --> 00:36:12,480
they're in a different dimension that

979
00:36:15,109 --> 00:36:14,320
only i can see them

980
00:36:17,030 --> 00:36:15,119
so

981
00:36:19,510 --> 00:36:17,040
i was a little disappointed but still

982
00:36:21,430 --> 00:36:19,520
okay let's go and then he said oh but

983
00:36:23,030 --> 00:36:21,440
just to warn you they're just like us

984
00:36:24,630 --> 00:36:23,040
they're having barbecues they're

985
00:36:26,870 --> 00:36:24,640
swimming pools

986
00:36:29,990 --> 00:36:26,880
and so at that point you know your

987
00:36:31,349 --> 00:36:30,000
enthusiasm dies a little bit but yet who

988
00:36:32,870 --> 00:36:31,359
knows

989
00:36:35,829 --> 00:36:32,880
you know i like to think they're having

990
00:36:37,910 --> 00:36:35,839
barbecues and swimming

991
00:36:40,390 --> 00:36:37,920
you know am i going we're going to stake

992
00:36:43,589 --> 00:36:40,400
it out for three months no but

993
00:36:48,390 --> 00:36:46,069
that's funny i i you know i've i've had

994
00:36:50,870 --> 00:36:48,400
people tell me similar stuff but

995
00:36:52,829 --> 00:36:50,880
not maybe not that off off the cuff but

996
00:36:54,550 --> 00:36:52,839
that's interesting

997
00:36:55,829 --> 00:36:54,560
um

998
00:36:58,470 --> 00:36:55,839
you know there's one phenomenon you

999
00:37:00,230 --> 00:36:58,480
wrote about in the book that i i

1000
00:37:01,910 --> 00:37:00,240
that keeps coming back to me because

1001
00:37:04,230 --> 00:37:01,920
i've had several people

1002
00:37:06,470 --> 00:37:04,240
and have you know have seen this thing

1003
00:37:10,310 --> 00:37:06,480
that's the paulding lights

1004
00:37:13,030 --> 00:37:10,320
and uh i i i am going to preface this

1005
00:37:14,470 --> 00:37:13,040
but telling you that i did have one

1006
00:37:16,390 --> 00:37:14,480
encounter

1007
00:37:18,390 --> 00:37:16,400
when this this peep these people went to

1008
00:37:19,910 --> 00:37:18,400
see the paulding lights

1009
00:37:22,069 --> 00:37:19,920
and uh

1010
00:37:24,069 --> 00:37:22,079
they were i forget the name of the road

1011
00:37:26,150 --> 00:37:24,079
i forget what part of michigan street

1012
00:37:28,790 --> 00:37:26,160
mars i don't forget the name of the town

1013
00:37:29,990 --> 00:37:28,800
but anyway they they saw the light

1014
00:37:34,950 --> 00:37:30,000
and

1015
00:37:36,630 --> 00:37:34,960
driving

1016
00:37:38,150 --> 00:37:36,640
they took a photograph

1017
00:37:40,790 --> 00:37:38,160
somehow out of the back of the car and

1018
00:37:42,870 --> 00:37:40,800
this alien this bright blue alien being

1019
00:37:45,109 --> 00:37:42,880
was sitting in the back seat

1020
00:37:47,510 --> 00:37:45,119
i've got the photograph

1021
00:37:49,990 --> 00:37:47,520
and you're thinking okay now what does

1022
00:37:51,510 --> 00:37:50,000
this have to do with the folding lights

1023
00:37:53,510 --> 00:37:51,520
but uh you know

1024
00:37:56,150 --> 00:37:53,520
i have had other people who have

1025
00:37:58,150 --> 00:37:56,160
experienced weird stuff

1026
00:38:00,630 --> 00:37:58,160
as they were going to this location or

1027
00:38:03,430 --> 00:38:00,640
at the location of those lights

1028
00:38:05,829 --> 00:38:03,440
what are the polling lights to you

1029
00:38:07,510 --> 00:38:05,839
what do many people think they are and

1030
00:38:09,190 --> 00:38:07,520
what's the what's the reason for all

1031
00:38:11,349 --> 00:38:09,200
this weirdness

1032
00:38:14,550 --> 00:38:11,359
so just right over the wisconsin border

1033
00:38:16,150 --> 00:38:14,560
as waters meet uh the paulding light

1034
00:38:17,589 --> 00:38:16,160
if you're familiar with spook lights

1035
00:38:20,470 --> 00:38:17,599
you'll be familiar with the paulding

1036
00:38:22,950 --> 00:38:20,480
light it's on uh an old railroad track

1037
00:38:25,589 --> 00:38:22,960
power line area so it goes down into a

1038
00:38:27,190 --> 00:38:25,599
valley and then back up and

1039
00:38:29,030 --> 00:38:27,200
many people

1040
00:38:31,589 --> 00:38:29,040
and you're trying to set me up for hate

1041
00:38:33,510 --> 00:38:31,599
mail here and i'll tell you why because

1042
00:38:35,030 --> 00:38:33,520
i put on my website about the polling

1043
00:38:37,109 --> 00:38:35,040
light that the first time i went up

1044
00:38:39,910 --> 00:38:37,119
there what i saw

1045
00:38:42,390 --> 00:38:39,920
were uh headlights coming from a nearby

1046
00:38:44,870 --> 00:38:42,400
road with my telescope just before dark

1047
00:38:47,349 --> 00:38:44,880
that's what i saw so i put that on my

1048
00:38:49,670 --> 00:38:47,359
website but i also put stories from

1049
00:38:52,390 --> 00:38:49,680
people i interviewed that were there and

1050
00:38:55,030 --> 00:38:52,400
said they were chased by this light that

1051
00:38:56,870 --> 00:38:55,040
was under some intelligent control

1052
00:38:58,710 --> 00:38:56,880
that it was moving through the woods

1053
00:39:01,430 --> 00:38:58,720
where they left their gear and they ran

1054
00:39:02,870 --> 00:39:01,440
or that they had all kinds of mechanical

1055
00:39:04,710 --> 00:39:02,880
problems there

1056
00:39:07,349 --> 00:39:04,720
uh first time i was there with my

1057
00:39:09,349 --> 00:39:07,359
colleague terry fisk he had uh he had

1058
00:39:11,910 --> 00:39:09,359
driven us up in his brand new vehicle

1059
00:39:14,470 --> 00:39:11,920
and we were just leaving made it into

1060
00:39:16,310 --> 00:39:14,480
the downtown of the tiny town and the

1061
00:39:18,230 --> 00:39:16,320
police pulled him over and said your

1062
00:39:21,030 --> 00:39:18,240
lights aren't working and he said that's

1063
00:39:23,030 --> 00:39:21,040
impossible brand new car working but we

1064
00:39:25,349 --> 00:39:23,040
got out with the officer and the lights

1065
00:39:27,190 --> 00:39:25,359
were not working and shut the car off

1066
00:39:30,150 --> 00:39:27,200
started up worked perfectly never had

1067
00:39:32,630 --> 00:39:30,160
the problem again um and i wrote all of

1068
00:39:33,349 --> 00:39:32,640
this so i just wrote both sides of it

1069
00:39:35,109 --> 00:39:33,359
and

1070
00:39:37,670 --> 00:39:35,119
out of any other legend i ever

1071
00:39:39,510 --> 00:39:37,680
investigated i got more people uh

1072
00:39:41,270 --> 00:39:39,520
contacting me saying you don't know what

1073
00:39:43,829 --> 00:39:41,280
you're talking about you know the

1074
00:39:46,069 --> 00:39:43,839
palming lights are real and they could

1075
00:39:48,310 --> 00:39:46,079
be but from what i saw the first time

1076
00:39:50,470 --> 00:39:48,320
anyway i was not the palting light and

1077
00:39:52,790 --> 00:39:50,480
then when you talk to people they say oh

1078
00:39:55,030 --> 00:39:52,800
yeah the paulding light it changes in

1079
00:39:57,829 --> 00:39:55,040
size shape and color and maneuvers

1080
00:39:59,270 --> 00:39:57,839
around and it's definitely something you

1081
00:40:00,230 --> 00:39:59,280
when you see it you're not going to

1082
00:40:02,390 --> 00:40:00,240
think

1083
00:40:04,390 --> 00:40:02,400
headlights or tail lights plus the

1084
00:40:08,470 --> 00:40:04,400
legend predates any vehicles being in

1085
00:40:10,630 --> 00:40:08,480
the area so you have that as well

1086
00:40:12,630 --> 00:40:10,640
yeah it's interesting i mean it seems

1087
00:40:14,309 --> 00:40:12,640
like every time somebody raced me about

1088
00:40:16,390 --> 00:40:14,319
this phenomena it's not about the actual

1089
00:40:19,190 --> 00:40:16,400
light itself it's about being in the

1090
00:40:20,950 --> 00:40:19,200
area and strange things happening

1091
00:40:23,190 --> 00:40:20,960
uh

1092
00:40:24,950 --> 00:40:23,200
a lot of times i mean i know one another

1093
00:40:27,910 --> 00:40:24,960
one where this uh

1094
00:40:29,349 --> 00:40:27,920
this person saw an upright canine coming

1095
00:40:30,309 --> 00:40:29,359
out of the woods as they were driving

1096
00:40:31,990 --> 00:40:30,319
towards

1097
00:40:33,750 --> 00:40:32,000
the you know very near and they could

1098
00:40:36,790 --> 00:40:33,760
see it in the distance but they saw this

1099
00:40:39,829 --> 00:40:36,800
thing coming out of the woods nearby

1100
00:40:41,750 --> 00:40:39,839
you know so i don't know it's it's just

1101
00:40:43,190 --> 00:40:41,760
it's just something

1102
00:40:45,589 --> 00:40:43,200
you know you're right you know people

1103
00:40:47,270 --> 00:40:45,599
get really defensive about their their

1104
00:40:51,030 --> 00:40:47,280
local phenomena or something they're

1105
00:40:55,510 --> 00:40:53,750
yeah you know they take pride and i

1106
00:40:57,030 --> 00:40:55,520
think i love that

1107
00:40:58,630 --> 00:40:57,040
about it but

1108
00:41:01,030 --> 00:40:58,640
i think we have to be open to all

1109
00:41:02,790 --> 00:41:01,040
possibilities that i'm convinced a lot

1110
00:41:04,230 --> 00:41:02,800
of people that are looking at the

1111
00:41:07,829 --> 00:41:04,240
paulding light are looking at a

1112
00:41:10,150 --> 00:41:07,839
mysterious unknown unidentified object

1113
00:41:13,030 --> 00:41:10,160
moving about i'm also convinced that

1114
00:41:17,190 --> 00:41:13,040
some people are seeing uh headlights or

1115
00:41:18,069 --> 00:41:17,200
tail lights or other natural phenomena

1116
00:41:19,829 --> 00:41:18,079
but

1117
00:41:21,430 --> 00:41:19,839
you know you try to put that out in some

1118
00:41:23,349 --> 00:41:21,440
measured way and

1119
00:41:25,589 --> 00:41:23,359
you know i would receive it on both

1120
00:41:27,670 --> 00:41:25,599
sides from skeptics who say why are you

1121
00:41:29,829 --> 00:41:27,680
even investigating this stuff there's

1122
00:41:31,750 --> 00:41:29,839
nothing to it and then die hard

1123
00:41:34,230 --> 00:41:31,760
believers saying well you've debunked

1124
00:41:36,150 --> 00:41:34,240
the origin story of this man who was

1125
00:41:37,670 --> 00:41:36,160
said to have killed his family what are

1126
00:41:39,030 --> 00:41:37,680
you doing i was there i had an

1127
00:41:41,030 --> 00:41:39,040
experience

1128
00:41:43,109 --> 00:41:41,040
so you kind of get up from both sides

1129
00:41:46,309 --> 00:41:43,119
when you try to move down the middle of

1130
00:41:48,230 --> 00:41:46,319
the road and i always try to in my mind

1131
00:41:49,990 --> 00:41:48,240
think that i'm trying to sort fact from

1132
00:41:52,150 --> 00:41:50,000
fiction that

1133
00:41:54,630 --> 00:41:52,160
present the best research i can on these

1134
00:41:57,109 --> 00:41:54,640
things and allow the reader the viewer

1135
00:41:58,950 --> 00:41:57,119
whoever to come to their own conclusion

1136
00:42:01,190 --> 00:41:58,960
exactly you know hopefully they don't

1137
00:42:03,109 --> 00:42:01,200
take my word for it either way they take

1138
00:42:05,190 --> 00:42:03,119
their own word for it after you know

1139
00:42:06,150 --> 00:42:05,200
visiting and doing their own research

1140
00:42:07,589 --> 00:42:06,160
because

1141
00:42:09,190 --> 00:42:07,599
half the time

1142
00:42:11,510 --> 00:42:09,200
i don't know what to think of these

1143
00:42:13,510 --> 00:42:11,520
things

1144
00:42:15,589 --> 00:42:13,520
well i i can agree with you there i mean

1145
00:42:17,510 --> 00:42:15,599
that's what i like to do you know i'll

1146
00:42:19,430 --> 00:42:17,520
give them what i know and you know

1147
00:42:21,270 --> 00:42:19,440
present the history and everything and

1148
00:42:22,950 --> 00:42:21,280
that you know if if they've got their

1149
00:42:25,190 --> 00:42:22,960
own conclusion that's fine with me you

1150
00:42:26,710 --> 00:42:25,200
know you can think anything you want but

1151
00:42:27,750 --> 00:42:26,720
absolutely

1152
00:42:29,349 --> 00:42:27,760
um

1153
00:42:30,630 --> 00:42:29,359
there's another phenomena that you got

1154
00:42:34,150 --> 00:42:30,640
in the book and i don't know if this is

1155
00:42:36,069 --> 00:42:34,160
the actual original resurrection mary

1156
00:42:37,990 --> 00:42:36,079
are there other resurrection mary

1157
00:42:40,710 --> 00:42:38,000
stories out there

1158
00:42:43,430 --> 00:42:40,720
there are i mean the most infamous is

1159
00:42:45,750 --> 00:42:43,440
outside of chicago and justice and but

1160
00:42:47,349 --> 00:42:45,760
there are other vanishing hitchhikers

1161
00:42:50,270 --> 00:42:47,359
obviously

1162
00:42:53,510 --> 00:42:50,280
many of them overwhelmingly in

1163
00:42:55,430 --> 00:42:53,520
pre-1980s were women hitchhikers and

1164
00:42:57,190 --> 00:42:55,440
male drivers

1165
00:42:59,829 --> 00:42:57,200
which was there's been a lot of studies

1166
00:43:02,550 --> 00:42:59,839
done since the 1940s on the phenomena

1167
00:43:05,109 --> 00:43:02,560
and i was amazed to find that how many

1168
00:43:07,430 --> 00:43:05,119
of the drivers were males that

1169
00:43:09,589 --> 00:43:07,440
encountered the the vanishing hitchhiker

1170
00:43:11,829 --> 00:43:09,599
on the side of the road today that's

1171
00:43:14,069 --> 00:43:11,839
shifting a lot more to

1172
00:43:16,790 --> 00:43:14,079
being a lot of females encountering it

1173
00:43:19,030 --> 00:43:16,800
and even some male vanishing hitchhikers

1174
00:43:21,510 --> 00:43:19,040
as well but the majority would be of

1175
00:43:23,430 --> 00:43:21,520
that vanishing woman but resurrection

1176
00:43:26,470 --> 00:43:23,440
mary is the

1177
00:43:28,309 --> 00:43:26,480
most infamous in the us u.s

1178
00:43:30,630 --> 00:43:28,319
and nobody knows who she may have been

1179
00:43:33,030 --> 00:43:30,640
there's a lot of legends about how she

1180
00:43:35,190 --> 00:43:33,040
went to the old willow brook ballroom

1181
00:43:37,430 --> 00:43:35,200
attended a dance and then was going home

1182
00:43:40,550 --> 00:43:37,440
and was involved in a car accident and

1183
00:43:43,750 --> 00:43:40,560
now she patrols archer avenue

1184
00:43:46,870 --> 00:43:43,760
you know in an old uh formal gown that

1185
00:43:48,390 --> 00:43:46,880
you'd expect from the swinging 30s

1186
00:43:50,710 --> 00:43:48,400
type and people have claimed to have

1187
00:43:52,950 --> 00:43:50,720
picked her up and given her rides and

1188
00:43:55,430 --> 00:43:52,960
she disappears in front of resurrection

1189
00:43:58,309 --> 00:43:55,440
cemetery and they saw her walk out

1190
00:44:00,550 --> 00:43:58,319
toward it and just i even heard legends

1191
00:44:02,309 --> 00:44:00,560
talking to people that a lot of saloons

1192
00:44:04,309 --> 00:44:02,319
and bars along the

1193
00:44:06,870 --> 00:44:04,319
road would put a bloody mary on their

1194
00:44:08,470 --> 00:44:06,880
bar every night just in case she stopped

1195
00:44:23,270 --> 00:44:08,480
in

1196
00:44:27,030 --> 00:44:23,280
but yet they did it just out of that

1197
00:44:30,470 --> 00:44:28,470
wow

1198
00:44:32,710 --> 00:44:30,480
yeah and we've all heard these stories

1199
00:44:34,470 --> 00:44:32,720
about the the vanishing hitchhikers and

1200
00:44:36,630 --> 00:44:34,480
those type of things um

1201
00:44:38,230 --> 00:44:36,640
i know there's a road up in maine

1202
00:44:39,670 --> 00:44:38,240
particularly in maine not far from

1203
00:44:43,030 --> 00:44:39,680
portland where

1204
00:44:44,550 --> 00:44:43,040
i people have talked about picking up

1205
00:44:47,030 --> 00:44:44,560
several type of hitchhikers male and

1206
00:44:48,390 --> 00:44:47,040
female and they just they they get the

1207
00:44:50,870 --> 00:44:48,400
car they go to certain discs they're

1208
00:44:53,030 --> 00:44:50,880
talking to them and then they vanish

1209
00:44:54,550 --> 00:44:53,040
you know they're nowhere to be found

1210
00:44:55,670 --> 00:44:54,560
um

1211
00:45:00,710 --> 00:44:55,680
i had

1212
00:45:02,150 --> 00:45:00,720
up near mount shasta you know and then

1213
00:45:04,710 --> 00:45:02,160
there's all these legends about mount

1214
00:45:08,069 --> 00:45:04,720
shasta but um

1215
00:45:09,589 --> 00:45:08,079
he he said he had a um

1216
00:45:11,510 --> 00:45:09,599
he had been going down the road he saw

1217
00:45:13,750 --> 00:45:11,520
this guy hitchhiking him and his

1218
00:45:16,069 --> 00:45:13,760
a guy and a woman for hitchhiking

1219
00:45:18,309 --> 00:45:16,079
he uh stopped and picked him up they

1220
00:45:20,309 --> 00:45:18,319
looked indigenous i think he said they

1221
00:45:21,670 --> 00:45:20,319
looked indigenous they got in the back

1222
00:45:24,150 --> 00:45:21,680
of the car

1223
00:45:25,910 --> 00:45:24,160
uh he was talking to him and they were

1224
00:45:28,710 --> 00:45:25,920
telling him about the the bigfoot

1225
00:45:31,349 --> 00:45:28,720
legends mount shasta and this and that

1226
00:45:33,030 --> 00:45:31,359
and then suddenly they disappear

1227
00:45:35,109 --> 00:45:33,040
weird stuff you know

1228
00:45:36,710 --> 00:45:35,119
so i don't know you know that that's

1229
00:45:39,349 --> 00:45:36,720
some really strange stuff

1230
00:45:40,550 --> 00:45:39,359
i wonder how long these are going to go

1231
00:45:43,349 --> 00:45:40,560
on because

1232
00:45:45,430 --> 00:45:43,359
no one stops for hitchhikers anymore no

1233
00:45:48,309 --> 00:45:45,440
you know nobody they were smart i mean

1234
00:45:50,069 --> 00:45:48,319
yeah yeah so are they going i wonder in

1235
00:45:51,910 --> 00:45:50,079
50 years from now if there are people

1236
00:45:54,150 --> 00:45:51,920
are going to say vanishing hitchhiker

1237
00:45:56,069 --> 00:45:54,160
what is that

1238
00:45:58,470 --> 00:45:56,079
you know because these legends and that

1239
00:46:00,950 --> 00:45:58,480
brings up a greater point of you know

1240
00:46:03,349 --> 00:46:00,960
what happens to these legends there's a

1241
00:46:04,630 --> 00:46:03,359
a famous legend here in wisconsin called

1242
00:46:07,510 --> 00:46:04,640
honsheville

1243
00:46:09,430 --> 00:46:07,520
and it's little people not gnomes but uh

1244
00:46:10,630 --> 00:46:09,440
you know dwarf

1245
00:46:12,309 --> 00:46:10,640
people

1246
00:46:14,630 --> 00:46:12,319
and they were thought to be old circus

1247
00:46:17,270 --> 00:46:14,640
performers that all gathered in this

1248
00:46:20,550 --> 00:46:17,280
small area and they had an average sized

1249
00:46:22,470 --> 00:46:20,560
human with the shotgun protecting them

1250
00:46:25,670 --> 00:46:22,480
you know and it was this wooded area

1251
00:46:27,510 --> 00:46:25,680
deep dark forested area and the legend

1252
00:46:29,510 --> 00:46:27,520
was if you went in you'd be chased off

1253
00:46:32,069 --> 00:46:29,520
by this caretaker with a shotgun who

1254
00:46:34,790 --> 00:46:32,079
would blast at you protecting the the

1255
00:46:37,510 --> 00:46:34,800
haunchies as they were called but

1256
00:46:39,670 --> 00:46:37,520
i was there just recently and the force

1257
00:46:40,630 --> 00:46:39,680
is almost gone it's all big mcmansions

1258
00:46:43,030 --> 00:46:40,640
now

1259
00:46:44,390 --> 00:46:43,040
so you wonder what happens what happens

1260
00:46:46,550 --> 00:46:44,400
to the haunted

1261
00:46:47,990 --> 00:46:46,560
hotel when it's now a parking lot for

1262
00:46:51,109 --> 00:46:48,000
target

1263
00:46:51,990 --> 00:46:51,119
you know what happens with these stories

1264
00:46:55,349 --> 00:46:52,000
yeah

1265
00:46:57,589 --> 00:46:55,359
maybe it's good

1266
00:47:00,470 --> 00:46:57,599
people like you do do write about them

1267
00:47:02,710 --> 00:47:00,480
and you have some type of record of them

1268
00:47:05,589 --> 00:47:02,720
well that that keeps me motivated to do

1269
00:47:08,150 --> 00:47:05,599
a new book because uh the book i might

1270
00:47:10,630 --> 00:47:08,160
have previously done is so outdated now

1271
00:47:13,109 --> 00:47:10,640
because these things change so much yeah

1272
00:47:16,790 --> 00:47:13,119
my first book was on a wisconsin road

1273
00:47:19,670 --> 00:47:16,800
guide to haunted locations back in 2003

1274
00:47:23,270 --> 00:47:19,680
and i just recently uh went back to the

1275
00:47:25,670 --> 00:47:23,280
original text of that and we had updated

1276
00:47:28,390 --> 00:47:25,680
it many times over the years but upwards

1277
00:47:30,309 --> 00:47:28,400
of 40 of the businesses and places are

1278
00:47:33,430 --> 00:47:30,319
different now

1279
00:47:34,870 --> 00:47:33,440
from just two decades ago

1280
00:47:36,950 --> 00:47:34,880
you know somebody asked a question in

1281
00:47:39,030 --> 00:47:36,960
here scarborough sasquatch day he wanted

1282
00:47:41,589 --> 00:47:39,040
to know if you've heard of any

1283
00:47:44,150 --> 00:47:41,599
type of um

1284
00:47:45,910 --> 00:47:44,160
human looking shaman seen among cryptids

1285
00:47:46,710 --> 00:47:45,920
and photos you ever heard anything like

1286
00:47:48,950 --> 00:47:46,720
that

1287
00:47:50,950 --> 00:47:48,960
gosh i haven't have you no i've never

1288
00:47:53,829 --> 00:47:50,960
heard anything that's new to me that

1289
00:47:55,750 --> 00:47:53,839
would be awesome

1290
00:47:57,510 --> 00:47:55,760
that's why i mentioned that i i have

1291
00:47:59,910 --> 00:47:57,520
never heard anything like that

1292
00:48:04,150 --> 00:48:02,309
that's weird i i no i haven't heard that

1293
00:48:06,230 --> 00:48:04,160
you know the closest i heard is from

1294
00:48:08,150 --> 00:48:06,240
some indigenous cultures that would tell

1295
00:48:11,430 --> 00:48:08,160
me that they'd often be doing their

1296
00:48:12,630 --> 00:48:11,440
drumming circles uh usually at night and

1297
00:48:15,030 --> 00:48:12,640
they would see

1298
00:48:17,190 --> 00:48:15,040
what they would what we would consider a

1299
00:48:20,069 --> 00:48:17,200
sasquatch or bigfoot on the edge of the

1300
00:48:22,870 --> 00:48:20,079
woods kind of hanging out there i've had

1301
00:48:26,150 --> 00:48:22,880
that too yeah but not not so much like

1302
00:48:28,309 --> 00:48:26,160
they're on a expedition together yeah

1303
00:48:29,270 --> 00:48:28,319
i yeah i've i've had people tell me that

1304
00:48:31,589 --> 00:48:29,280
had been

1305
00:48:34,390 --> 00:48:31,599
uh a drum circle and they would know the

1306
00:48:36,309 --> 00:48:34,400
strange things and usually by stream or

1307
00:48:38,950 --> 00:48:36,319
creek and on the other side they would

1308
00:48:40,069 --> 00:48:38,960
see strange things uh maybe a bigfoot or

1309
00:48:43,109 --> 00:48:40,079
something but

1310
00:48:45,510 --> 00:48:43,119
yeah absolutely i have heard that

1311
00:48:47,750 --> 00:48:45,520
yeah and that makes me wonder if it's

1312
00:48:49,990 --> 00:48:47,760
just their curiosity coming in or if

1313
00:48:51,829 --> 00:48:50,000
there's something that you can almost

1314
00:48:53,349 --> 00:48:51,839
conjure it forward

1315
00:48:56,390 --> 00:48:53,359
that there's something with the drumming

1316
00:48:58,230 --> 00:48:56,400
or the energy or whatever it is that is

1317
00:49:00,150 --> 00:48:58,240
bringing these things forward more so

1318
00:49:03,030 --> 00:49:00,160
than just they're curious of what all

1319
00:49:05,109 --> 00:49:03,040
this noise in their neighborhood is

1320
00:49:07,829 --> 00:49:05,119
interesting

1321
00:49:09,750 --> 00:49:07,839
so you know this book but maybe not this

1322
00:49:11,270 --> 00:49:09,760
book in particular what's some of the

1323
00:49:14,309 --> 00:49:11,280
strangest

1324
00:49:15,510 --> 00:49:14,319
dares that you've ever heard about

1325
00:49:17,670 --> 00:49:15,520
well

1326
00:49:19,670 --> 00:49:17,680
i'm i'm fascinating because a lot of the

1327
00:49:22,549 --> 00:49:19,680
dares involve three you have to do

1328
00:49:25,270 --> 00:49:22,559
things three times either yeah knock on

1329
00:49:28,150 --> 00:49:25,280
a mausoleum three times and it will open

1330
00:49:29,430 --> 00:49:28,160
uh a demon-like creature will come out

1331
00:49:31,910 --> 00:49:29,440
after you

1332
00:49:34,790 --> 00:49:31,920
um i like some of the the interesting

1333
00:49:37,829 --> 00:49:34,800
ones um where you have to do something

1334
00:49:39,589 --> 00:49:37,839
very specific not just uh resurrection

1335
00:49:41,030 --> 00:49:39,599
mary you drive down archer avenue and

1336
00:49:43,030 --> 00:49:41,040
she will appear

1337
00:49:45,510 --> 00:49:43,040
that you have to do something and

1338
00:49:47,349 --> 00:49:45,520
there's a a place in northern wisconsin

1339
00:49:50,069 --> 00:49:47,359
where it's thought to be haunted and

1340
00:49:53,829 --> 00:49:50,079
fight field by a woman who lost her

1341
00:49:56,309 --> 00:49:53,839
children and herself when she tried to

1342
00:49:58,630 --> 00:49:56,319
beat a train over a railroad track and

1343
00:50:00,950 --> 00:49:58,640
she crashed and like many other stories

1344
00:50:02,630 --> 00:50:00,960
around the us the children now push your

1345
00:50:03,349 --> 00:50:02,640
car over the

1346
00:50:09,910 --> 00:50:03,359
the

1347
00:50:12,470 --> 00:50:09,920
also a legend that right next to it are

1348
00:50:15,670 --> 00:50:12,480
a series of wooded areas that if you

1349
00:50:17,750 --> 00:50:15,680
grab a rock and throw it into the woods

1350
00:50:20,630 --> 00:50:17,760
that rock will be thrown right back at

1351
00:50:23,670 --> 00:50:20,640
you by little gnome-like people you know

1352
00:50:26,230 --> 00:50:23,680
fairy folk if you will and that where

1353
00:50:28,069 --> 00:50:26,240
that started and you know how it was

1354
00:50:30,710 --> 00:50:28,079
that you'd even start throwing rocks

1355
00:50:32,870 --> 00:50:30,720
into the woods and yet have them

1356
00:50:36,390 --> 00:50:32,880
thrown right back at you those are the

1357
00:50:38,870 --> 00:50:36,400
stories i like that yeah um there's also

1358
00:50:41,990 --> 00:50:38,880
down in kiwani illinois the legend of a

1359
00:50:44,470 --> 00:50:42,000
deer man part human part deer

1360
00:50:46,470 --> 00:50:44,480
um depending on who you talk to the top

1361
00:50:49,510 --> 00:50:46,480
is human or the top is deer and the

1362
00:50:51,430 --> 00:50:49,520
bottom vice versa but the legend there

1363
00:50:53,510 --> 00:50:51,440
is that if you see it

1364
00:50:55,910 --> 00:50:53,520
more than once if you see it on your

1365
00:50:58,069 --> 00:50:55,920
third time you'll die

1366
00:50:59,829 --> 00:50:58,079
and there was a fascinating newspaper

1367
00:51:01,589 --> 00:50:59,839
article written several decades ago

1368
00:51:04,069 --> 00:51:01,599
about a man who went out there and saw

1369
00:51:07,349 --> 00:51:04,079
it two different times and then he moved

1370
00:51:08,950 --> 00:51:07,359
away so he'd never see it the third time

1371
00:51:10,950 --> 00:51:08,960
you know because he didn't want to die

1372
00:51:12,790 --> 00:51:10,960
but it took three times

1373
00:51:15,349 --> 00:51:12,800
for this cryptid to keep track of how

1374
00:51:17,670 --> 00:51:15,359
many times you spotted it in order for

1375
00:51:20,069 --> 00:51:17,680
bad luck to happen and

1376
00:51:21,990 --> 00:51:20,079
that happens quite a bit where a lot of

1377
00:51:24,549 --> 00:51:22,000
these dares are said that you have to go

1378
00:51:26,870 --> 00:51:24,559
there three times in order for something

1379
00:51:28,470 --> 00:51:26,880
to actually occur

1380
00:51:30,309 --> 00:51:28,480
wow

1381
00:51:32,870 --> 00:51:30,319
i want to thank scarborough sasquatch

1382
00:51:35,670 --> 00:51:32,880
for their donation very much appreciated

1383
00:51:38,549 --> 00:51:35,680
um yeah you know you you hear a lot of

1384
00:51:40,069 --> 00:51:38,559
this this stuff these legends near these

1385
00:51:42,630 --> 00:51:40,079
railroad tracks like you said where

1386
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there's been an accident and and people

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00:51:46,309 --> 00:51:43,760
will

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park near the uh

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00:51:49,750 --> 00:51:47,599
park near the

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the stop where you're supposed to stop

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00:51:53,190 --> 00:51:51,760
going or the track goes across the road

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00:51:54,230 --> 00:51:53,200
and they feel like something's pushing

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00:51:58,870 --> 00:51:54,240
it

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00:52:00,790 --> 00:51:58,880
place here in western pennsylvania where

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00:52:04,230 --> 00:52:00,800
people go and they have that same

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00:52:08,470 --> 00:52:05,750
weird

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00:52:10,230 --> 00:52:08,480
and these are in my in my research these

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00:52:12,790 --> 00:52:10,240
are different places than your spook

1399
00:52:14,630 --> 00:52:12,800
hills or your gravity roads where you

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00:52:16,549 --> 00:52:14,640
park at the bottom of what appears to be

1401
00:52:18,630 --> 00:52:16,559
an upward slope and your car pushes

1402
00:52:22,309 --> 00:52:18,640
right these are more spirit oriented

1403
00:52:25,030 --> 00:52:22,319
where the people munger road north of

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00:52:27,190 --> 00:52:25,040
chicago in illinois

1405
00:52:29,349 --> 00:52:27,200
same thing some kids were involved in a

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00:52:31,430 --> 00:52:29,359
van or bus accident on the railroad

1407
00:52:34,230 --> 00:52:31,440
tracks and now they push your car to

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00:52:36,710 --> 00:52:34,240
safety and we were talking off

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00:52:39,109 --> 00:52:36,720
air about my interest in old hobo

1410
00:52:41,349 --> 00:52:39,119
legends and so many of them involve

1411
00:52:44,630 --> 00:52:41,359
train tracks again you could write an

1412
00:52:48,069 --> 00:52:44,640
entire book about train legends and lore

1413
00:52:51,349 --> 00:52:48,079
so i'm always fascinated that obviously

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00:52:53,430 --> 00:52:51,359
uh you don't hear many hobos anymore uh

1415
00:52:55,190 --> 00:52:53,440
roaming the riding the rails but yet

1416
00:52:56,630 --> 00:52:55,200
their legends of these stories still

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00:52:57,990 --> 00:52:56,640
persist

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00:53:03,670 --> 00:52:58,000
interesting

1419
00:53:06,710 --> 00:53:05,270
yeah that's right you know and i was

1420
00:53:07,990 --> 00:53:06,720
thinking that's right when these these

1421
00:53:11,109 --> 00:53:08,000
uh the

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00:53:12,790 --> 00:53:11,119
the these um cars where people will put

1423
00:53:14,870 --> 00:53:12,800
sprinkle powder in the back of the car

1424
00:53:17,430 --> 00:53:14,880
they see the hand prints show up

1425
00:53:19,430 --> 00:53:17,440
i i i think there's um

1426
00:53:22,790 --> 00:53:19,440
there's a place near houston texas where

1427
00:53:24,790 --> 00:53:22,800
they have done that several times and it

1428
00:53:27,109 --> 00:53:24,800
seems many times that these handprints

1429
00:53:30,470 --> 00:53:27,119
show up in that in in the powder of the

1430
00:53:31,670 --> 00:53:30,480
car yeah you can sprinkle baby powder or

1431
00:53:33,349 --> 00:53:31,680
flour

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00:53:35,990 --> 00:53:33,359
um another fun

1433
00:53:38,150 --> 00:53:36,000
legend of a supernatural dare is in iowa

1434
00:53:39,829 --> 00:53:38,160
at this cemetery where this young girl

1435
00:53:41,750 --> 00:53:39,839
named anna wiese

1436
00:53:45,349 --> 00:53:41,760
many many years ago she was brutally

1437
00:53:46,470 --> 00:53:45,359
murdered and they never found her

1438
00:53:48,630 --> 00:53:46,480
a killer

1439
00:53:51,190 --> 00:53:48,640
and that dare is that if you go out to

1440
00:53:52,390 --> 00:53:51,200
the gravesite and say her name three

1441
00:53:55,109 --> 00:53:52,400
times

1442
00:53:57,270 --> 00:53:55,119
the name of her murderer will appear on

1443
00:53:59,190 --> 00:53:57,280
the gravestone in front of you

1444
00:54:01,990 --> 00:53:59,200
and you know unfortunately for me it

1445
00:54:04,069 --> 00:54:02,000
never showed up when i did the dare uh

1446
00:54:06,549 --> 00:54:04,079
several times but i thought that was an

1447
00:54:08,870 --> 00:54:06,559
interesting twist of her spirit wouldn't

1448
00:54:11,030 --> 00:54:08,880
show up but she would release the name

1449
00:54:12,390 --> 00:54:11,040
of her murderer on the

1450
00:54:14,710 --> 00:54:12,400
gravestone

1451
00:54:15,750 --> 00:54:14,720
wow

1452
00:54:17,750 --> 00:54:15,760
huh

1453
00:54:19,430 --> 00:54:17,760
yeah i've never heard anything like that

1454
00:54:21,510 --> 00:54:19,440
i mean there's so many these these

1455
00:54:22,549 --> 00:54:21,520
cemetery legends i mean it really is

1456
00:54:24,710 --> 00:54:22,559
it's uh

1457
00:54:26,230 --> 00:54:24,720
and like i told you i hate these i hate

1458
00:54:27,990 --> 00:54:26,240
those cemeteries

1459
00:54:30,230 --> 00:54:28,000
and down at when i used to live down

1460
00:54:31,589 --> 00:54:30,240
maryland we used to run into a lot of

1461
00:54:34,950 --> 00:54:31,599
these things out

1462
00:54:37,190 --> 00:54:34,960
here in a a urban area

1463
00:54:40,630 --> 00:54:37,200
or just outside of an urban area and you

1464
00:54:43,670 --> 00:54:40,640
know there would have been like

1465
00:54:45,990 --> 00:54:43,680
200 300 year old cemeteries where

1466
00:54:47,990 --> 00:54:46,000
the uh the forest would actually grow up

1467
00:54:50,390 --> 00:54:48,000
into the cemeteries and have crips all

1468
00:54:52,549 --> 00:54:50,400
tore up and everything but i always got

1469
00:54:55,589 --> 00:54:52,559
such a freaky

1470
00:54:57,829 --> 00:54:55,599
weird sensation being in those places

1471
00:54:59,829 --> 00:54:57,839
and i can imagine that people would

1472
00:55:01,670 --> 00:54:59,839
these dare legends would really spring

1473
00:55:02,950 --> 00:55:01,680
up a lot of times with these type of

1474
00:55:05,270 --> 00:55:02,960
places

1475
00:55:09,510 --> 00:55:05,280
they do there's a fun one

1476
00:55:12,630 --> 00:55:09,520
in beaver minnesota um a old abandoned

1477
00:55:14,150 --> 00:55:12,640
graveyard and same thing forest covers

1478
00:55:17,190 --> 00:55:14,160
it everywhere and there's a ring of

1479
00:55:19,910 --> 00:55:17,200
trees that if you walk through the gap

1480
00:55:20,870 --> 00:55:19,920
there's a series of old gravestones

1481
00:55:24,069 --> 00:55:20,880
there

1482
00:55:27,030 --> 00:55:24,079
and the legend is if you walk into this

1483
00:55:28,710 --> 00:55:27,040
circle of trees this cursed circle bad

1484
00:55:31,190 --> 00:55:28,720
things will happen to you

1485
00:55:33,750 --> 00:55:31,200
and then when you come out more bad luck

1486
00:55:37,430 --> 00:55:33,760
will befall you and when i was first

1487
00:55:40,309 --> 00:55:37,440
there i was filming the dare um and i

1488
00:55:42,870 --> 00:55:40,319
had my tripod outside of the ring of

1489
00:55:45,589 --> 00:55:42,880
trees and i was inside and i was halfway

1490
00:55:48,470 --> 00:55:45,599
through my jabbering about the legend

1491
00:55:49,430 --> 00:55:48,480
when i see on a non-windy day my tripod

1492
00:55:51,670 --> 00:55:49,440
just

1493
00:55:54,069 --> 00:55:51,680
fall over and break the camera

1494
00:55:55,910 --> 00:55:54,079
um luckily i was able to grab another

1495
00:55:58,470 --> 00:55:55,920
one and do it and it worked fine but it

1496
00:56:00,230 --> 00:55:58,480
was just that that oddity of well that's

1497
00:56:02,470 --> 00:56:00,240
strange that's never happened to me

1498
00:56:04,470 --> 00:56:02,480
before and it just so happens i'm at a

1499
00:56:05,349 --> 00:56:04,480
cursed cemetery where that takes place

1500
00:56:07,750 --> 00:56:05,359
but

1501
00:56:10,470 --> 00:56:07,760
you know knock on wood i'd rather lose a

1502
00:56:12,710 --> 00:56:10,480
camera than my life so

1503
00:56:15,670 --> 00:56:12,720
i i agree with you

1504
00:56:18,230 --> 00:56:15,680
so um chad what's what's up coming for

1505
00:56:20,150 --> 00:56:18,240
you uh what projects you working on how

1506
00:56:23,349 --> 00:56:20,160
can people get a hold of you

1507
00:56:26,549 --> 00:56:23,359
obviously my website's the easiest um

1508
00:56:28,309 --> 00:56:26,559
otherwise as you said in the intro go to

1509
00:56:30,470 --> 00:56:28,319
the weirdest spot you can think of and

1510
00:56:33,030 --> 00:56:30,480
you'll probably find me there and

1511
00:56:35,990 --> 00:56:33,040
i'm always working on new stuff uh any

1512
00:56:38,789 --> 00:56:36,000
legend i just no matter what it is i'm

1513
00:56:40,630 --> 00:56:38,799
fascinated by it so you know i have like

1514
00:56:42,789 --> 00:56:40,640
you and everybody else in this field i

1515
00:56:44,549 --> 00:56:42,799
have like 12 other projects going at the

1516
00:56:45,510 --> 00:56:44,559
same time yeah

1517
00:56:48,470 --> 00:56:45,520
yeah

1518
00:56:50,390 --> 00:56:48,480
well folks you know if you've got

1519
00:56:51,829 --> 00:56:50,400
something if you've got a weird legend

1520
00:56:53,670 --> 00:56:51,839
or something

1521
00:56:56,470 --> 00:56:53,680
just known in your area i would

1522
00:56:59,510 --> 00:56:56,480
definitely get a hold of chad um and

1523
00:57:02,789 --> 00:56:59,520
what's the website uh url

1524
00:57:05,349 --> 00:57:02,799
yeah just chad lewis research okay

1525
00:57:06,950 --> 00:57:05,359
absolutely well chad hey it's great

1526
00:57:08,950 --> 00:57:06,960
having you i love having you come on

1527
00:57:09,829 --> 00:57:08,960
here and we're talking about this weird

1528
00:57:12,630 --> 00:57:09,839
stuff

1529
00:57:15,109 --> 00:57:12,640
uh you know i i i you

1530
00:57:17,190 --> 00:57:15,119
when you we first started talking to you

1531
00:57:19,750 --> 00:57:17,200
we were talking about the van meter

1532
00:57:20,950 --> 00:57:19,760
visitor have you had any follow-ups on

1533
00:57:22,950 --> 00:57:20,960
that

1534
00:57:25,510 --> 00:57:22,960
yeah there have been some recent uh

1535
00:57:28,549 --> 00:57:25,520
sightings uh not just in van meter which

1536
00:57:30,870 --> 00:57:28,559
is a small town southwest of des moines

1537
00:57:32,630 --> 00:57:30,880
but in the region and

1538
00:57:35,430 --> 00:57:32,640
as you and i were talking earlier about

1539
00:57:37,670 --> 00:57:35,440
tv shows i just did one of josh gates's

1540
00:57:39,349 --> 00:57:37,680
new show and they did one on the van

1541
00:57:41,430 --> 00:57:39,359
meter visitor

1542
00:57:44,069 --> 00:57:41,440
with some new witnesses i put them in

1543
00:57:47,190 --> 00:57:44,079
touch with that recently had seen giant

1544
00:57:49,589 --> 00:57:47,200
bat like creatures one was a master

1545
00:57:53,510 --> 00:57:49,599
yeah so uh you can check that out don't

1546
00:57:58,230 --> 00:57:55,510
their conclusion was a little different

1547
00:58:00,309 --> 00:57:58,240
than most people would come to but um

1548
00:58:02,150 --> 00:58:00,319
okay a lot of fun check it out yeah the

1549
00:58:05,190 --> 00:58:02,160
van meter visitors still getting reports

1550
00:58:07,109 --> 00:58:05,200
of these flying creatures in iowa yeah

1551
00:58:09,829 --> 00:58:07,119
it's great i mean

1552
00:58:11,670 --> 00:58:09,839
that was uh that was a great book and uh

1553
00:58:14,710 --> 00:58:11,680
i think we got two shows out of that at

1554
00:58:17,589 --> 00:58:14,720
one at one point so that's all yeah so

1555
00:58:18,789 --> 00:58:17,599
hey thanks again for coming on and uh we

1556
00:58:21,109 --> 00:58:18,799
will definitely have it come back on

1557
00:58:25,750 --> 00:58:21,119
again talk some more thanks and keep an

1558
00:58:30,150 --> 00:58:27,270
so um

1559
00:58:31,270 --> 00:58:30,160
you know uh if you had encounter or

1560
00:58:33,750 --> 00:58:31,280
exciting

1561
00:58:35,030 --> 00:58:33,760
uh read on the show please forward to me

1562
00:58:37,270 --> 00:58:35,040
in an email

1563
00:58:40,549 --> 00:58:37,280
i want to again thank chad lewis for

1564
00:58:42,390 --> 00:58:40,559
joining me this evening and

1565
00:58:43,990 --> 00:58:42,400
and thanks to each and all you for

1566
00:58:46,870 --> 00:58:44,000
watching and chatting if you made a

1567
00:58:48,710 --> 00:58:46,880
super chat donations truly appreciated

1568
00:58:51,670 --> 00:58:48,720
your support is what makes this all

1569
00:58:53,670 --> 00:58:51,680
possible please like and subscribe

1570
00:58:55,589 --> 00:58:53,680
uh and if you had an unexplained

1571
00:58:57,030 --> 00:58:55,599
encounter society feel free to contact

1572
00:59:00,470 --> 00:58:57,040
me directly

1573
00:59:01,589 --> 00:59:00,480
uh at launchstrikerfamsammonsters.com

1574
00:59:03,270 --> 00:59:01,599
uh

1575
00:59:05,349 --> 00:59:03,280
or through the fam's monster's blog site

1576
00:59:07,349 --> 00:59:05,359
as well

1577
00:59:10,150 --> 00:59:07,359
my new book the meme humanoids modern

1578
00:59:11,670 --> 00:59:10,160
myths or real monsters is now available

1579
00:59:13,750 --> 00:59:11,680
on amazon

1580
00:59:15,829 --> 00:59:13,760
and next week

1581
00:59:18,230 --> 00:59:15,839
we will have pennsylvania krypton ufo

1582
00:59:19,430 --> 00:59:18,240
investigator and author stan gordon

1583
00:59:23,030 --> 00:59:19,440
joining me

1584
00:59:25,910 --> 00:59:23,040
his new book decrypted and strange ufo

1585
00:59:28,470 --> 00:59:25,920
encounters in pennsylvania just released

1586
00:59:30,950 --> 00:59:28,480
uh this should be an interesting and as

1587
00:59:33,430 --> 00:59:30,960
always entertaining discussion

1588
00:59:35,109 --> 00:59:33,440
so folks until next week stay healthy

1589
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:35,119
and have a safe and enjoyable weekend